"Moon landing hoax" claims cf "Holocaust hoax" claims

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"Moon landing hoax" claims cf "Holocaust hoax" claims

Eric Hufschmid is one of the leading 9/11 Dissidents. His 2003 video Painful Deceptions and book Painful Questions and are excellent.

But Eric believes that the Apollo moon landings were faked. The 9/11 establishment use this to discredit him.

He accepts that spacecraft (both Russian & American) landed on the moon, but says that the astronauts themselves did not.

I could never understand his position, until I saw the video in item#1 (in 3 parts).

It's very persuasive. For an hour or two, I was thinking it was right. In item #3 below, I explain why I think it's wrong. But please don't read that explanation until you've watched it and investigated a bit.

Which is the hoax - the claim that men DID walk on the moon, or the claim that they DIDN'T?

This is good practice for investigating the Nazi Holocaust.

Although most contributors below take a pro-Denial line, I believe that this is because the Deniers have had little competition in Conspiracy/Dissident circles in recent years.

The more that Thought Control laws make certain opinions unacceptable, and their thinkers unemployable or even jailable, the more the different kind of dissidents band together.

Sure, the Zionists and One Worlders are powerful and harmful. But Nazism is not the solution; I stand with Solzhenitsyn instead. Can you imagine that he supported the German invasion?

Otto Strasser's revelations of Hitler's violence against the "socialist left" faction of the NSDAP, which Hitler branded "National Bolshevik", have gone strangely unremarked in this forum. Otto Strasser warned that "Hitler means war". He knew Hitler far better than any of us do.

Unfathoming the Final Solution is very difficult. That's why I publish information encased in viewpoints I disagree with; how many of the Deniers do that?. But I insist that we also look at "mainstream" orthodoxy. I'm putting out both, even though we can't reconcile them at present.

(1) Moon-landing film THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON (2) Don't call them "Deniers" (3) What's wrong about Moon-landing film THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON - Peter M., Feb. 11, '09 (4) Elie Wiesel inconsistent on Buchenwald gas chamber (5) Churchill, Eisenhower & de Gaulle omit Gas Chambers, 6 million from their histories (6) Where did all the Jews go? To the Soviet Union (7) Vatican pulls the strings; don't blame the Jews (8) Response to Bill on Himmler diaries, Holocaust Survivors (9) "Holocaust Denying parasites" (10) Deborah Lipstad was correct against Irving (11) Keep reading Germar Rudolf - Toben (12) World War II Holocaust (of 6 million Jews) was equaled by the World War I Holocaust -- of 6 million Jews! (13) "At Treblinka, there was no Selection ... no Labour Camps... It was just Extermination" (14) Hitler "had no plans or desire for a larger war of conquest" (15) Red Cross report on Jews in concentration camps

(1) Moon-landing film THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

From: David West <dgwest7@gmail.com> Date: 10.02.2009 12:17 PM

moon-landing film

I have discovered the same moon-landing film on YouTube, in three parts.

Was the Moon Landing film made in a studio? Did Stanley Kubrick die a natural death? Did General Walters die a natural death? Why was Ronald Reagan selected to run for president?

You will KNOW when you have watched this film.


Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oQ7A65h1os&feature=PlayList&p=CD840FA893074537&index=0

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoBFJwMwGhY&feature=PlayList&p=CD840FA893074537&index=1

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHX2VYsXpHU&feature=PlayList&p=CD840FA893074537&index=2

(2) Don't call them "Deniers"

From: ct <cthurston@thurston-sf.com> Date: 09.02.2009 05:37 AM

"The Deniers have written reams on Gas Chambers - denying them..."

I'm surprised that your ground rules for this debate do not exclude the use of ad hominem arguments. The use of the term "denier" to refer to revisionist historians is a subtle (or not-so-subtle) form of ad hominem argument that conveys at least two types of character attack by innuendo and sarcasm: 1) revisionists just go around denying things with no justification, or 2) revisionists are "in denial" and have closed their eyes to obvious realities. In either case, this is a psy-op tactic that is intended to discredit revisionists without actually looking at their work.

The revisionist authors that I have read are methodical and unbiased in their analysis of the available evidence. The constant threat of career assassination, prosecution, large fines and imprisonment imposes a strict discipline of seriousness upon their courageous volunteer efforts. According to statistics presented by Germar Rudolf in a recent lecture, more than 60,000 German citizens have been prosecuted for thought crimes in just the last few years.

The "denier" usage tactic is identical in strategy to the use of the phrase "conspiracy theorist" as a description for 9/11 researchers, which suggests that 9/11 researchers spend all their time sitting around cooking up imaginary alternative narratives while either ignoring or distorting the facts. The exact opposite is actually the case, of course. The core of 9/11 research is a volunteer citizen inquiry that has taken place in the absence of a true investigation. It focuses on compiling ALL of the relevant evidence, which clearly shows that the standard narrative cannot be true. Most serious 9/11 researchers avoid promoting speculative perpetrator theories.

Here's a couple of revisionist studies that examine the question of the "missing" Hungarian Jews: http://www.codoh.com/found/fndstats.html (see section 3.5 regarding Hungary) http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nwidmann/nrfwausre.html

This study includes an analysis of the standard Treblinka narrative (see section 3): http://www.codoh.com/found/fndtreb.html


(3) What's wrong about Moon-landing film THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON - Peter M., Feb. 11, '09

Just by doing Google searches, which led me to Wikipedia articles, I was able to spot flaws in THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.

Firstly, note that the soundtrack of the film is not in sync with the video, in that one cannot "read the lips" of the speakers to verify that they did make the statements the soundtrack says they did.

Secondly, Neil Armstrong, instead of retiring to a monastery, seems to have been happily married.

Thirdly, when Bart Sibrel, a proponent of the Apollo moon landing hoax theory, confronted Aldrin calling him "a coward, a liar, and a thief," and saying "You're the one who said you walked on the moon and you didn't", Aldrin punched him in the face.

This does not sound like the guilty, depressed alcoholic the film says he became after Apollo 11.

Fourthly, there is little corroboration of the film's claim that Stanley Kubrick shut himself away because he feared that the CIA would assassinate him as the last person who knew that the moon landing was recorded (by him) in a film studio.

Finally, and this is the clincher, Apollo 11 was only one of six spaceflights which landed men on the moon (missions Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 did too). On each mission, two men walked on the moon.

The film would have to hold that all 6 moonwalks (of the 12 astronauts) were faked. If so, it should have mentioned this. Further, Stanley Kubrick would lose his uniqueness, and there would be many more people the CIA had to bump off lest they reveal the secret. ==


Apollo 11

The Apollo 11 mission was the first manned mission to land on the Moon. It was the fifth human spaceflight of Project Apollo and the third human voyage to the Moon. It was also the second all-veteran crew in manned spaceflight history. Launched on July 16, 1969, it carried Commander Neil Alden Armstrong, Command Module Pilot Michael Collins and Lunar Module Pilot Edwin Eugene 'Buzz' Aldrin, Jr. On July 20, Armstrong and Aldrin became the first humans to land on the Moon, while Collins orbited above. ... ==


(Redirected from Apollo Moon Landing hoax accusations)

Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong in NASA's training mock-up of the Moon and lander module. Hoax proponents say the entire mission was filmed on sets like this training mock-up.

Apollo Moon Landing hoax conspiracy theories are claims that some or all elements of the Apollo Moon landings were faked by NASA and possibly members of other involved organizations. Some groups and individuals have advanced various theories which tend, to varying degrees, to include suggestions that the Apollo astronauts did not land on the Moon, that NASA and possibly others intentionally deceived the public into believing the landings did occur by manufacturing, destroying, or tampering with evidence, including photos, telemetry tapes, transmissions, and rock samples, and that the deception continues to this day. ...

[edit] Suggested motives for a hoax

Several motives are given by hoax proponents for the U.S. government to fake the Moon landings.

1.Cold War prestige Ñ The U.S. government considered it vital that the U.S. win the space race against the Soviet Union. Going to the Moon was risky and expensive. (John F. Kennedy famously said that the U.S. chose to go because it was hard).[9] Despite close monitoring by the Soviet Union, Bill Kaysing maintains that it would have been easier for the U.S. to fake it, and consequently guarantee success, than for the U.S. actually to go.[5] p. 29 ...

[edit] Missing data

Blueprints and design and development drawings of the machines involved are missing. Apollo 11 data tapes containing telemetry and the high quality video (before scan conversion) of the first moonwalk are missing.[18] For more information see Apollo program missing tapes. ==


Stanley Kubrick

When New York Times writer Fred M. Hechinger wrote a piece which declared A Clockwork Orange "fascist", Kubrick wrote a letter in response:

It is quite true that my film's view of man is less flattering than the one Rousseau entertained in a similarly allegorical narrativeÑbut, in order to avoid fascism, does one have to view man as a noble savage, rather than an ignoble one? Being a pessimist is not yet enough to qualify one to be regarded as a tyrant (I hope)...The age of the alibi, in which we find ourselves, began with the opening sentence of Rousseau's Emile: 'Nature made me happy and good, and if I am otherwise, it is society's fault.' It is based on two misconceptions: that man in his natural state was happy and good, and that primal man had no society...Rousseau's romantic fallacy that it is society which corrupts man, not man who corrupts society, places a flattering gauze between ourselves and reality. This view, to use Mr. Hechinger's frame of reference, is solid box office but, in the end, such a self-inflating illusion leads to despair. ==


Neil Armstrong

{no statement here that he retired to a monastery}

He met his second wife, Carol Held Knight, in 1992 at a golf tournament. Seated together at the breakfast, she said little to Armstrong, but a couple of weeks later, she received a call from him asking what she was doing. She replied she was cutting down a cherry tree, and 35 minutes later Armstrong was at her house to help out. They were married on June 12, 1994 in Ohio, and then had a second ceremony at San Ysidro Ranch in California.

... In 2005, Armstrong said that a manned mission to Mars will be easier than the lunar challenge of the 1960s: "I suspect that even though the various questions are difficult and many, they are not as difficult and many as those we faced when we started the Apollo [space program] in 1961." Armstrong also recalled his initial concerns about the Apollo 11 mission. He had believed there was only a 50 percent chance of landing on the moon. "I was elated, ecstatic and extremely surprised that we were successful", he said.

This page was last modified on 7 February 2009, at 07:26. ==


Buzz Aldrin

... On September 9, 2002, filmmaker Bart Sibrel, a proponent of the Apollo moon landing hoax theory, confronted Aldrin outside a Beverly Hills, California hotel. Sibrel called Aldrin "a coward, a liar, and a thief," saying "You're the one who said you walked on the moon and you didn't". Aldrin punched Sibrel in the face. Beverly Hills police and the city's prosecutor declined to file charges. Sibrel suffered no permanent injuries.[26] ==

People who have walked on the Moon


Neil Armstrong (CDR, Apollo 11) · Buzz Aldrin (LMP, Apollo 11) · Pete Conrad (CDR, Apollo 12) · Alan Bean (LMP, Apollo 12) · Alan Shepard (CDR, Apollo 14) · Edgar Mitchell (LMP, Apollo 14 · David Scott (CDR, Apollo 15) · James Irwin (LMP, Apollo 15) · John Young (CDR, Apollo 16) · Charles Duke (LMP, Apollo 16) · Eugene Cernan (CDR, Apollo 17) · Harrison Schmitt (LMP, Apollo 17)

(4) Elie Wiesel inconsistent on Buchenwald gas chamber

From: Jason Collett <collettj@telkomsa.net> Date: 09.02.2009 07:09 AM

Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica

Wiesel has been a prominent spokesman for the very sizeable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. [According to Norman Finkelstein of the City University of New York in his book The Holocaust Industry published in 2000, 'The Israeli Prime Minister's office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million' (p.83)]. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize (!).

Time Magazine, March 18 1985:

How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? "I will never know" he says. "I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?"

Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under 'Buchenwald':

"In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions."


Daniel A. McGowan, Director, Deir Yassin Remembered, Geneva, NY

(5) Churchill, Eisenhower & de Gaulle omit Gas Chambers, 6 million from their histories

From: Alphonso Grahame <alphonsograhame@yahoo.com.au> Date: 10.02.2009 04:58 AM

Winston Churchill wrote a 6 volume history of the second world war but doesn't mention any gas chambers or 6 million Jew victims. If millions of people were supposedly killed in gas chambers don't you think Churchill would have mentioned it? The same is true in the war memoirs of Charles DeGaulle and Dwight Eisenhower. See http://www.rense.com/general74/short2.htm

Alexander McClelland is an Australian world war 2 veteran who fought in North Africa and Greece. He was captured by Germans and became a pow and later inmate at Terezin concentration camp. The holocaust enforcers say there was a gas chamber there. He strenuously denies this. He and his autobiography THE ANSWER - JUSTICE have been blacklisted by the media in Australia. Is the exterminationist position so weak that they have to apply censorship to a geriatric war veteran? See www.aijf.org/2005_update.html ==


A Tricky Little Problem - The Missing "Holocaust" Richard Lynn Professor Emeritus University of Ulster 12-19-05

"I've checked out Churchill's Second World War and the statement is quite correct - not a single mention of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war. Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war." - Richard Lynn Professor Emeritus University of Ulster, December 5, 2005

(6) Where did all the Jews go? To the Soviet Union

From: heather hudson <anarch20042000@yahoo.ca> Date: 09.02.2009 08:46 PM It's reasonable to ask 'Where did all the Jews go?'. The answer to the question, 'Where all the Jews went', is ­ the Soviet Union... One has to remember that this was WWII, which saw massive population movements (1 and a quarter million Belgians fled the German advance in 1940, for example).

Poland is the key, containing the bulk of Europe's Jews. Mainstream Holocaust history puts the Polish-Jewish population at 3.1 million. But that's the 1931 figure. By 1939, the numbers had been reduced (via immigration mostly) to 2.6 million. When Germany and the USSR partioned Poland, Germany got 1.6 million Jews, the USSR 1 million. Now, around 750,000 Jews fled, at once, to the (soon to be) Soviet side of Poland, and were promptly put in cattle cars and deported to Siberia. Most of them were never to be seen again.

Overall, Stalin deported around 15 million Soviets, including 5 million Ukrainians, before and during the war with Germany, to Siberia and the Urals. Most (around 12 million, and of that figure, 700,000 Jews) died en route or after arriving, because of cold, disease, overwork, starvation. This was easily the greatest atrocity of WWII.

Because of the scale of the deportations, the Soviet Jewish population (in the areas occupied by the Germans) should have numbered 1.89 million. Instead, it only numbered around 770,000... Adding that number to the total number of Jews in occupied Europe, the Germans only had 3.5 million Jews at any time (which, incidentally, is the same as the number of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories).

Of the 2.7 million European Jews, 2.4 million survived ­ so the death toll for European Jewry was 300,000. So Archbishop Williamson was right. In my opinion, the 300,000 died of causes related to the war: at least 7 million Germans died during the war, 50% of whom were civilians; 65,000 British died from the German bombings of the UK... Horrific casualties all around, with the Germans, Soviets and Japanese getting the worst of it.

All of these figures are contained in Walter N. Sanning's classic, 'The dissolution of Eastern European Jewry' (1983), all based on Soviet and Jewish sources. The book isn't available online, unfortunately...


(7) Vatican pulls the strings; don't blame the Jews

From: Jude10901@aol.com Date: 09.02.2009 09:53 PM

An excellent dvd is called Shabtai Tzvi, Labor Zionism and the Holocaust by Barry Chamish. He goes into great detail about the Sabbotaens..... (sp) They had a great role in the Holocaust and worked with the Nazis. He goes into detail about the Vatican on another lecture. I am glad that one of your responders mentioned the Vatican. They (and the Royals) stay behind the scenes ... so most people can yell "It's the Jews". It takes a bit more digging to see "the larger picture" Some people feel that, because Jews were thrown out of many countries, they almost deserve what happened. Judy Andreas

(8) Response to Bill on Himmler diaries, Holocaust Survivors

From: Palestine Remembered <palestineremembered@googlemail.com> Date: 09.02.2009 11:50 PM

> Jews were deported behind the Ural Mountains to work in the Soviet arms factories
> From: bill Date: 07.02.2009 02:44 PM


> Heinrich Himmler was the German official in charge of all German security and anti-Jewish operations on the Eastern front. He, of all persons, would know exactly what the real number of Jews liquidated was. His complete diaries, including those dealing with the war time years in Russia, have been in Israeli hands since the end off WWII.

Can anyone really prove that these diaries survived? It would be very significant if they had, but never been published. However, there was no Israel in 1945 - and if they were to be there now, it's much more likely they'd arrived much later.

> The huge flood of Jews out of Russia post-war on their way to invade the Arabs of Palestine is clear proof that the vast majority of Jews survived the war. If Mr. Myers will consult The Hoax of the Twentieth Century he will read of the Army and Congressional reports post-war that describe a huge flood of Jew, numbering as many as three million pouring out of Russia and the Iron Curtain countries to various locations.

Unconvincing. The number of genuine "Holocaust Survivors" in 1948 was around 100,000. It is Israeli fraud that boosted their numbers to 850,000 by 1995 (well, Finkelstein Holocaust Industry again).

(9) "Holocaust Denying parasites"

From: Dave <dakersting@earthlink.net> Date: 10.02.2009 02:41 PM

Your list is the best large forum I've found so far. So it's ironic that your first posted reply to the question of 'the Holocaust' represents everything that constructive debate is not.

'..the Holocaust Denying parasites... profiteering frauds, pandering to racial obsessives... magnet for violent gangs, some of whom probably want to persecute and rob vulnerable minorities. ..However, lets also condemn censorship''

Some people seem unaware that there is a crucial difference between personal japes and carefully marshaled arguments (no matter how harsh such arguments may seem). Yet all of justice and civilization hinge on recognizing that difference. Every evil cause flourishes in the muck which debate becomes when that difference is not appreciated.

Could we possibly not 'condemn' any person or idea, but perhaps just stick to cold reason, as people do in every savvy social group, every decent children's-program, and every boardroom where serious profits are made? Or if the joys of condemnation are so appealing, could we please honor the difference between 'condemning' with proper logic versus 'condemning' with rapturous personal jabs?

(10) Deborah Lipstad was correct against Irving

From: Palestine Remembered <palestineremembered@googlemail.com> Date: 10.02.2009 04:33 PM

Hi Dave (Peter)

I lashed the Deniers and perhaps I was a bit harsh. Nevertheless and sad to say, Holocaust Denialism is linked to hate-speech and falsification. Think David Irving. Deborah Lipstad may have spent $10 million stitching him up, but in essence, she and the judge were correct. Nothing from David Irving can be trusted (or probably, ever should have been trusted). And I say that despite respecting him as a researcher and many of the things he unearthed.

Having reached the point of linking denialism to hate-speech and falsification, it's possible to go further and say that there's almost a one-to-one relationship between falsification of history and hate-speech. In fact, that's just another lesson we should learn from the Zionists. They're race-haters, therefore they lie. The only thing they don't lie about is the Holocaust, most of which is moderately well understood and most of which is "true" (or as near "true" as we can ever hope to get). People like Hilberg were not Zionists and they're a bit horrified at the abuse of their work by Israel.

On the two-state business, I think you've been misled. Influential Palestinians and budding politicians naturally want "their own state", with it's own budget and all the rest of it - but nobody else wants two apartheid states in the region, one is bad enough. Yasser Arafat wanted a two-state solution but, again, we should respect him without accepting his solution. People of good-faith want a non-apartheid Israel, a state "for all of its people" even though it's curently treasonable in Israel to call for that solution.

(I have more to say on immigration - the single most important lesson we should learn from the experience of the Palestinians is that immigration is bad - but I'm going out, sorry).

(11) Keep reading Germar Rudolf - Toben

From: Adelaide Institute <infoadelaideinstitute@adelaideinstitute.org> Date: 10.02.2009 08:23 AM

Peter, you have re-invented the wheel but spruced it up with some new technology - keep it up, then read all the books in the Germar Rudolf Holocaust Handbooks series of 21+ volumes - I know you have them in your vast library! Fredrick

(12) World War II Holocaust (of 6 million Jews) was equaled by the World War I Holocaust -- of 6 million Jews!

From: Captain May <captainmay@prodigy.net> Date: 10.02.2009 09:41 AM By Captain Eric H. May Military-Political Editor Many of my readers may be as ignorant as I was about the extent of man's inhumanity to man. I recently learned that the World War II Holocaust (of 6 million Jews) was equaled by the World War I Holocaust -- of 6 million Jews! It was all documented in the New York media of the time, which then as now enjoyed the benefits of Jewish information and management. An article sent me this weekend gave a fine account of the World War I Holocaust, along with excellent references. It wasn't too wordy or too lengthy; it was well illustrated and well written; and its title was memorable. I believe it will become a classic source for entry-level World War I Holocaust students like me: Burn in Hell you deniers of the Holocausts http://churchofnobody.blogspot.com/2009/02/burn-in-hell-you-deniers-of-holocausts.html

If only Hollywood would produce as many Holocaust movies set in World War I as in World War II. Surely that would make the American people twice as sympathetic to Jews as they already are. This is the objective of Holocaust movies, after all. But for some reason the World War I Holocaust is kept as a hushed up as the Gaza Genocide. This is indeed shocking when you consider what Jewish columnist Joel Stein recently affirmed in his Dec. 19 LA Times essay, How Jewish is Hollywood? http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,1,7113597.column "I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them." Recently there has been an unpleasant controversy in the Catholic Church over the Holocaust revisionism of Bishop Richard Williamson. He not only rejects the official story of the Holocaust(s), but also rejects the official 9/11 story, making him a double denier. "Know the truth," Jesus said, "and it shall set you free." I think it incumbent on those of us who love the truth to learn more about him and his opinions, the better to clarify things. Those interested in learning more about him should read the two articles I wrote last week: The Panzer Pope and Holocaust Heresy http://tinyurl.com/d7otp2 Questioning "The Protocols of Zion" http://tinyurl.com/cv4je4 Captain May is a former Army intelligence and public affairs officer. He is also a former NBC editorial writer. For the index of his articles in The Lone Star Iconoclast, refer to http://www.lonestaricon.com/Opinion/captainmay.htm.

(13) "At Treblinka, there was no Selection ... no Labour Camps... It was just Extermination"

From: RW Date: 10.02.2009 11:19 AM

"At Treblinka, there was no Selection because there were no Labour Camps there. It was just Extermination."

Germar Rudolf's book Lectures on the Holocaust from pages 274 to 291 refutes this completely concerning Treblinka. http://www.vho.org/dl/ENG/loth.pdf

From: Michael McDonnell <mmcd@mmnet.com.au> Date: 10.02.2009 10:48 AM Subject: 35 responses By golly, Peter, you have bitten off a lot. The thrilling thing is the honest, innocent benignity with which you have done so. Fabulous. Now all you need is Williamson's Faith - the Santa Fe.

(14) Hitler "had no plans or desire for a larger war of conquest"

From: Jason Collett <collettj@telkomsa.net> Date: 09.02.2009 07:10 AM

The Origins of World War 2 The startling views of four key ambassadors who were close to events Just consider the following:

* Joseph P. Kennedy, U.S. Ambassador to Britain

* during the years immediately preceding WW2 was the father of the famous American Kennedy dynasty. James Forrestal the first US Secretary of Defense (1947-1949) quotes him as saying "Chamberlain (the British Prime Minister) stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war". (The Forrestal Diaries ed. Millis, Cassell 1952 p129). Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington * , in a report to the Polish Foreign Office in January 1939, is quoted approvingly by the highly respected British military historian Major-General JFC Fuller. Concerning public opinion in America he says "Above all, propaganda here is entirely in Jewish handsÉwhen bearing public ignorance in mind, their propaganda is so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of affairs in EuropeÉ It is interesting to observe that in this carefully thought-out campaignÉ no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that country is mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given the impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of countriesÉ Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike campsÉPresident Roosevelt has been given the power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for." (Fuller, JFC: The Decisive Battles of the Western World vol 3 pp 372-374.) Hugh Wilson, the American Ambassador in Berlin * until 1938, the year before the war broke out, found anti-Semitism in Germany 'understandable'. This was because before the advent of the Nazis, "the stage, the press, medicine and law [were] crowded with JewsÉamong the few with money to splurge, a high proportion [were] JewsÉthe leaders of the Bolshevist movement in Russia, a movement desperately feared in Germany, were Jews. One could feel the spreading resentment and hatred." (Hugh Wilson: Diplomat between the Wars, Longmans 1941, quoted in Leonard Mosley, Lindbergh, Hodder 1976). Sir Nevile Henderson, British Ambassador in Berlin 'said further that the hostile attitude in Great Britain was the work of Jews and enemies of the Nazis, which was what Hitler thought himself' (Taylor, AJP: The Origins of the Second World War Penguin 1965, 1987 etc p 324).

Is all of this merely attributable to antisemitism?

The economic background to the war is necessary for a fuller understanding, before casting judgement on the originators of these viewpoints.

At the end of the First World War, Germany was essentially tricked [see Paul Johnson A History of the Modern World (1983) p24 and H Nicholson Peacemaking 1919 (1933) pp13-16] into paying massive reparations to France and other economic competitors and former belligerent countries in terms of the so-called Treaty of Versailles, thanks to the liberal American President Woodrow Wilson. Germany was declared to be solely responsible for the war, in spite of the fact that 'Germany did not plot a European war, did not want one, and made genuine efforts, though too belated, to avert one.' (Professor Sydney B Fay The Origins of the World War (vol. 2 p 552)).

As a result of these massive enforced financial reparations, by 1923 the situation in Germany became desperate and inflation on an astronomical scale became the only way out for the government. Printing presses were engaged to print money around the clock. In 1921 the exchange rate was 75 marks to the dollar. By 1924 this had become about 5 trillion marks to the dollar. This virtually destroyed the German middle class (Koestler The God that Failed p 28), reducing any bank savings to a virtual zero.

According to Sir Arthur Bryant the British historian (Unfinished Victory (1940 pp. 136-144):

'It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities.. They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.. But to those who had lost their all this bewildering transfer seemed a monstrous injustice. After prolonged sufferings they had now been deprived of their last possessions. They saw them pass into the hands of strangers, many of whom had not shared their sacrifices and who cared little or nothing for their national standards and traditions.. The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population.. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a large part of the press ­ all the normal means, in fact, by which public opinion in a civilized country is formed.. The largest newspaper combine in the country with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly.. Every year it became harder and harder for a gentile to gain or keep a foothold in any privileged occupation.. At this time it was not the''Aryans' who exercised racial discrimination. It was a discrimination that operated without violence. It was exercised by a minority against a majority. There was no persecution, only elimination.. It was the contrast between the wealth enjoyed ­ and lavishly displayed ­ by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and the poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe. Beggars on horseback are seldom popular, least of all with those whom they have just thrown out of the saddle.'

Goodness gracious, Sir Arthur! What made you get out of the wrong side of the bed?

Strangely enough, a book unexpectedly published by Princeton University Press in 1984, Sarah Gordon (Hitler, Germans and the "Jewish Question") essentially confirms what Bryant says. According to her, 'Jews were never a large percentage of the total German population; at no time did they exceed 1% of the population during the years 1871-1933.' But she adds 'Jews were over-represented in business, commerce, and public and private service.. They were especially visible in private banking in Berlin, which in 1923 had 150 private Jewish banks, as opposed to only 11 private non-Jewish banks.. They owned 41% of iron and scrap iron firms and 57% of other metal businesses.. Jews were very active in the stock market, particularly in Berlin, where in 1928 they comprised 80% of the leading members of the stock exchange. By 1933, when the Nazis began eliminating Jews from prominent positions, 85% of the brokers on the Berlin Stock exchange were dismissed because of their "race".. At least a quarter of full professors and instructors (at German universities) had Jewish origins.. In 1905-6 Jewish students comprised 25% of the law and medical students.. In 1931, 50% of the 234 theatre directors in Germany were Jewish, and in Berlin the number was 80%.. In 1929 it was estimated that the per capita income of Jews in Berlin was twice that of other Berlin residents..' etc etc.

Arthur Koestler confirms the Jewish over-involvement in German publishing. 'Ullstein's was a kind of super-trust; the largest organization of its kind in Europe, and probably In the world. They published four daily papers in Berlin alone, among these the venerable Vossische Zeitung, founded in the eighteenth century, and the B.Z. am Mittag, an evening paper.. Apart from these, Ullstein's published more than a dozen weekly and monthly periodicals, ran their own news service, their own travel agency, etc., and were one of the leading book publishers. The firm was owned by the brothers Ullstein - they were five, like the original Rothschild brothers, and like them also, they were Jews.' (The God that Failed (1950) ed. RHS Crossman, p 31).

Edgar Mowrer, Berlin correspondent for the Chicago Daily News, wrote an anti-German tract called Germany Puts the Clock Back (published as a Penguin Special and reprinted five times between December 1937 and April 1938). He nevertheless notes 'In the all-important administration of Prussia, any number of strategic positions came into the hands of Hebrews.. A telephone conversation between three Jews in Ministerial offices could result in the suspension of any periodical or newspaper in the state.. The Jews came in Germany to play in politics and administration that same considerable part that they had previously won by open competition in business, trade, banking, the Press, the arts, the sciences and the intellectual and cultural life of the country. And thereby the impression was strengthened that Germany, a country with a mission of its own, had fallen into the hands of foreigners.'

Mowrer says 'No one who lived through the period from 1919 to 1926 is likely to forget the sexual promiscuity that prevailed.. Throughout a town like Berlin, hotels and pensions made vast fortunes by letting rooms by the hour or day to baggageless, unregistered guests. Hundreds of cabarets, pleasure resorts and the like served for purposes of getting acquainted and acquiring the proper mood..' (pp. 153-4). Bryant describes throngs of child prostitutes outside the doors of the great Berlin hotels and restaurants. He adds 'Most of them (the night clubs and vice-resorts) were owned and managed by Jews. And it was the Jews.. among the promoters of this trade who were remembered in after years.' (pp. 144-5).

Douglas Reed, Chief Central European correspondent before WWII for the London Times, was profoundly anti-German and anti-Hitler. But nevertheless he reported: 'I watched the Brown Shirts going from shop to shop with paint pots and daubing on the window panes the word "Jew", in dripping red letters. The Kurfürstendamm was to me a revelation. I knew that Jews were prominent in business life, but I did not know that they almost monopolized important branches of it. Germany had one Jew to one hundred gentiles, said the statistics; but the fashionable Kurfürstendamm, according to the dripping red legends, had about one gentile shop to ninety-nine Jewish ones.' (Reed Insanity Fair (1938) p. 152-3). In Reed's book Disgrace Abounding of the following year he notes 'In the Berlin (of pre-Hitler years) most of the theatres were Jewish-owned or Jewish-leased, most of the leading film and stage actors were Jews, the plays performed were often by German, Austrian or Hungarian Jews and were staged by Jewish film producers, applauded by Jewish dramatic critics in Jewish newspapers.. The Jews are not cleverer than the Gentiles, if by clever you mean good at their jobs. They ruthlessly exploit the common feeling of Jews, first to get a foothold in a particular trade or calling, then to squeeze the non-Jews out of it.. It is not true that Jews are better journalists than Gentiles. They held all the posts on those Berlin papers because the proprietors and editors were Jewish' (pp238-9).

The Jewish writer Edwin Black notes 'For example, in Berlin alone, about 75% of the attorneys and nearly as many of the doctors were Jewish.' (Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984) p58.

To cap it all, Jews were perceived as dangerous enemies of Germany after Samuel Untermeyer, the leader of the World Jewish Economic Federation, declared war on Germany on August 6 1933. (Edwin Black The Transfer Agreement: the Untold Story of the Secret Pact between the Third Reich and Palestine (1984) pp272-277) According to Black, 'The one man who most embodied the potential death blow to Germany was Samuel Untermeyer.' (p 369). This was the culmination of a worldwide boycott of German goods led by international Jewish organizations. The London Daily Express on March 24, 1933 carried the headline Judea Declares War on Germany. The boycott was particularly motivated by the German imposition of the Nuremberg Laws, which ironically were similar in intent and content to the Jewish cultural exclusivism practiced so visibly in present-day Israel (Hannah Arendt Eichmann in Jerusalem p 7).

Hitler saw the tremendous danger posed to Germany by Communism. He appreciated the desperate need to eliminate this threat, a fact that earned him the immense hatred and animosity of the Jewish organisations and the media and politicians of the west which they could influence. After all, according to the Jewish writer Chaim Bermant, although Jews formed less than five percent of Russia's population, they formed more than fifty percent of its revolutionaries. According to the Jewish writer Chaim Bermant in his book The Jews (1977, chapter 8):

'It must be added that most of the leading revolutionaries who convulsed Europe in the final decades of the last century and the first decades of this one, stemmed from prosperous Jewish families.. They were perhaps typified by the father of revolution, Karl Marx.. Thus when, after the chaos of World War I, revolutions broke out all over Europe, Jews were everywhere at the helm; Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria, and, most improbable of all, Rosa Luxemburg in Berlin.

'To many outside observers, the Russian revolution looked like a Jewish conspiracy, especially when it was followed by Jewish-led revolutionary outbreaks in much of central Europe. The leadership of the Bolshevik Party had a preponderance of Jews.. Of the seven members of the Politburo, the inner cabinet of the country, four, Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Radomsky), Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Sverdlov, were Jews.' Other authors agree with this:

"There has been a tendency to circumvent or simply ignore the significant role of Jewish intellectuals in the German Communist Party, and thereby seriously neglect one of the genuine and objective reasons for increased anti-Semitism during and after World War 1.. The prominence of Jews in the revolution and early Weimar Republic is indisputable, and this was a very serious contributing cause for increased anti-Semitism in post-war years.. It is clear then that the stereotype of Jews as socialists and communists.. led many Germans to distrust the Jewish minority as a whole and to brand Jews as enemies of the German nation." (Sarah Gordon Hitler, Germans and the 'Jewish Question' Princeton University Press (1984) p 23).

"The second paroxysm of strong anti-Semitism came after the critical role of Jews in International Communism and the Russian Revolution and during the economic crises of the 1920s and 30sÉ Anti-Semitism intensified throughout Europe and North America following the perceived and actual centrality of Jews in the Russian Revolution.. Such feelings were not restricted to Germany, or to vulgar extremists like the Nazis. All over Northern Europe and North America, anti-Semitism became the norm in 'nice society', and 'nice society' included the universities." (Martin Bernal, Black Athena vol. 1 pp. 367, 387).

"The major role Jewish leaders played in the November (Russian) revolution was probably more important than any other factor in confirming (Hitler's) anti-Semitic beliefs." (J&S Pool, Who Financed Hitler, p.164).

Hitler came to power in Germany with two main aims, the rectification of the unjust provisions of the Versailles Treaty, and the destruction of the Soviet/ Communist threat to Germany. Strangely enough, contrary to the mythology created by those who had an opposing ethnic agenda, he had no plans or desire for a larger war of conquest. Professor AJP Taylor showed this in his book The Origins of the Second World War, to the disappointment of the professional western political establishment. Taylor says, "The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all" (p.267), and "Even in 1939 the German army was not equipped for a prolonged war; and in 1940 the German land forces were inferior to the French in everything except leadership" (p104-5). What occurred in Europe in 1939-41 was the result of unforeseen weaknesses and a tipping of the balance of power, and Hitler was an opportunist 'who took advantages whenever they offered themselves' (Taylor). Britain and France declared war on Germany, not the other way around. Hitler wanted peace with Britain, as the German generals admitted (Basil Liddell Hart, The Other Side of the Hill 1948, Pan Books 1983) with regard to the so-called Halt Order at Dunkirk, where Hitler had the opportunity to capture the entire British Army, but chose not to. Liddell Hart, one of Britain's most respected military historians, quotes the German General von Blumentritt with regard to this Halt Order:

"He (Hitler) then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the British Empire, of the necessity for its existence, and of the civilisation that Britain had brought into the world. He remarked, with a shrug of the shoulders, that the creation of its Empire had been achieved by means that were often harsh, but 'where there is planing, there are shavings flying'. He compared the British Empire with the catholic Church ­ saying they were both essential elements of stability in the world. He said that all he wanted from Britain was that she should acknowledge Germany's position on the Continent. The return of Germany's colonies would be desirable but not essential, and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if she should be involved in difficulties anywhere.." (p 200).

According to Liddell Hart, "At the time we believed that the repulse of the Luftwaffe in the 'Battle over Britain' had saved her. That is only part of the explanation, the last part of it. The original cause, which goes much deeper, is that Hitler did not want to conquer England. He took little interest in the invasion preparations, and for weeks did nothing tospur them on; then, after a brief impulse to invade, he veered around again and suspended the preparations. He was preparing, instead, to invade Russia" (p140).

David Irving in the foreword to his book The Warpath (1978) refers to "the discovery.. that at no time did this man (Hitler) pose or intend a real threat to Britain or the Empire."

This gives a completely different complexion, not only to the war, but to the successful suppression of this information during the war and afterwards. Historians today know only too well where the boundaries lie within which they can paint their pictures of the war and its aftermath, and the consequences of venturing beyond those boundaries, irrespective of the evidence. Unfortunately, only too few of them have been prepared to have the courage to break out of this dreadful straitjacket of official and unofficial censorship.

E-mail comment received:

I worked and studied in Berlin for three years, have an MA in International Relations and a BA in Government with a minor in History. I am embarrassed to say that until I read this article, I had no idea of the scope and cause for the anti-Semitism in Germany before WWII. The Halt Order at Dunkirk was never mentioned in my studies, nor was the ownership of the media, banks and businesses.

Thank you for the excellent article. It certainly gives me a new perspective. I have always questioned the actual numbers of Jewish victims of the concentration camps, as the numbers didn't make sense based upon Germany's population. Perhaps it was fear of failing or being labeled an anti-Semite by my history professors (all but two were Jewish) and classmates that I refrained from demanding an honest discussion during my classes. I once said that the only reason Israel existed was out of Holocaust guilt, and I was immediately labeled a terrorist sympathizer.

I see what is now happening in Israel and I am aghast. The parallels to WW II are frightening. Even today, one cannot bring up this subject without being labeled a Holocaust denier or white supremacist.

(15) Red Cross report on Jews in concentration camps

From: Iskandar Masih <iskandar38@hotmail.com> Date: 10.02.2009 10:18 AM

Red Cross report on the situation in Germany during WWII A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE "HOLOCAUST" BY THE RED CROSS.

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A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE "HOLOCAUST" BY THE RED CROSS. by NoEvidenceOfGenocide . Friday January 28, 2005 at 07:09 AM

No Evidence Of Genocide

The Jews And The Concentration Camps: A Factual Appraisal By The Red Cross.

{chapter nine from the book "Did Six Million Really Die?", by Richard E. Harwood}

There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948. This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works: Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War (Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet, explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and herein lies its great value.

The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.

The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two categories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German, "Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues, "were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisoned under common law for security reasons." (P.74).

The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and "from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon established contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programme which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.

Red Cross Recipients Were Jews

The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily. From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps" (Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald, Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg, Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians, Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews" (Vol. III, p. 83).

In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transfer and distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty million Swiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout the world, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee of New York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organisation was permitted by the German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the American entry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their vast relief operation for Jewish internees came not from the Germans but from the tight Allied blockade of Europe. Most of their purchases of relief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.

The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April 1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported from various countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p. 75). According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able to visit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusively for Jews and was governed by special conditions. From information gathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experiment by certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jews the means of setting up a communal life in a town under their own administration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . two delegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. They confirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol. I, p . 642).

The ICRC also had praise for the regime of Ion Antonescu of Fascist Rumania where the Committee was able to extend special relief to 183,000 Rumanian Jews until the time of the Soviet occupation. The aid then ceased, and the ICRC complained bitterly that it never succeeded "in sending anything whatsoever to Russia" (Vol. II, p. 62). The same situation applied to many of the German camps after their "liberation" by the Russians. The ICRC received a voluminous flow of mail from Auschwitz until the period of the Soviet occupation, when many of the internees were evacuated westward. But the efforts of the Red Cross to send relief to internees remaining at Auschwitz under Soviet control were futile. However, food parcels continued to be sent to former Auschwitz inmates transferred west to such camps as Buchenwald and Oranienburg.

No Evidence Of Genocide

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).

Not All Were Interned

Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness" of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "every single Jew he could lay his hands on."

In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wisliceny was in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of the Jewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certain periods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge for Jews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained in Slovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end of August 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. While it is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about the internment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in camps where the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where the internees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to those of the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).

Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of the Polish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation. "The Jews from Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits to the United States were held to be American citizens by the German occupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity of about three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates of South American countries" (Vol. I, p. 645).

As future U.S. citizens, these Jews were held at the Vittel camp in southern France for American aliens. The emigration of European Jews from Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by the German authorities. "Until March 1944," says the. Red Cross Report, "Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leave Hungary" (Vol. I, p. 648). Even after the replacement of the Horthy Government in 1944 (following its attempted armistice with the Soviet Union) with a government more dependent on German authority, the emigration of Jews continued.

The Committee secured the pledges of both Britain and the United States "to give support by every means to the emigration of Jews from Hungary," and from the U.S. Government the ICRC received a message stating that "The Government of the United States ... now specifically repeats its assurance that arrangements will be made by it for the care of all Jews who in the present circumstances are allowed to leave" (Vol. I, p . 649).

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).

The above is chapter nine from the book "Did Six Million Really Die?"

Who committed Genocide then? by interesting Friday January 28, 2005 at 09:00 AM

From the above account, it would appear that those in charge of the barbarous Allied civilian bombing of Germany, thus attacking the civilian infrastructure (which is a war crime), are primarily responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands of gays, gypsies, political dissidents, Jews, etc. in the concentration camps of wartime Germany due to disease and starvation.

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